Comments on: Chuck Schumer: Vote No On Torture (and No To Mukasey) http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/ A Fresh Look at News, Politics and History Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:20:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: Jim http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1063 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:20:19 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1063 In that case, passing the law should be pretty easy -- it should sail through Congress. After all, the Army Field Manual explicitly prohibits its U.S. military personnel from using it. (That's a fairly recent addition.) It should be easy enough for Congress to exercise their oversight function and prevent the CIA from doing the same. This is Congress's job. Everyone knows murder is wrong, too, but we still codify that in criminal statutes. In that case, passing the law should be pretty easy — it should sail through Congress. After all, the Army Field Manual explicitly prohibits its U.S. military personnel from using it. (That’s a fairly recent addition.) It should be easy enough for Congress to exercise their oversight function and prevent the CIA from doing the same. This is Congress’s job.

Everyone knows murder is wrong, too, but we still codify that in criminal statutes.

]]> by: Bill Ectric http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1062 Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:56:57 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1062 I am appalled that Americans even have to ask such a question, or that someone can say that "waterboarding" is not torture. It is. I am appalled that Americans even have to ask such a question, or that someone can say that “waterboarding” is not torture. It is.

]]> by: Jim http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1060 Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:40:58 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1060 Well, Chuck Schumer voted "yes" on Mukasey. But he still could vote "no" on the use of waterboarding, under any circumstances. Then Mukasey appointment would have no consequence on this issue, since Congress would have done its job and actually written a clear law and Mukasey would not placed in the position of interpreting vague statutes. In fact, someone like, say, Senator Dodd -- brave, brave Senator Dodd -- could actually draft legislation explicitly prohibiting the CIA (or any American organization) from waterboarding anybody. Well, Chuck Schumer voted “yes” on Mukasey. But he still could vote “no” on the use of waterboarding, under any circumstances. Then Mukasey appointment would have no consequence on this issue, since Congress would have done its job and actually written a clear law and Mukasey would not placed in the position of interpreting vague statutes. In fact, someone like, say, Senator Dodd — brave, brave Senator Dodd — could actually draft legislation explicitly prohibiting the CIA (or any American organization) from waterboarding anybody.

]]> by: Lit News & Opinion http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1059 Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:48:06 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1059 Torture, like stealing land from Indians and Mexicans, is beneath the greatness of the United States. As is slavery, child labor in sweatshops, union busting, imperialism, the Ku Klux Klan, genocide, Reaganomics, fixing elections, assassinating foreign heads of state, the Vietnam War, Monica Lewinsky, The Birth of a Nation, McCarthyism, segregation, the military-industrial complex, reservations, Watergate, destroying the environment, Enron, the Spanish-American War, discrimination, corporate welfare, dead Kennedy’s, health care costs, lobbyists, ghettos, high school drop-outs, the Iraq War, police torture of suspects to get a confession. The greatness of the United States is measured by...pipe dreams and propaganda. Torture, like stealing land from Indians and Mexicans, is beneath the greatness of the United States. As is slavery, child labor in sweatshops, union busting, imperialism, the Ku Klux Klan, genocide, Reaganomics, fixing elections, assassinating foreign heads of state, the Vietnam War, Monica Lewinsky, The Birth of a Nation, McCarthyism, segregation, the military-industrial complex, reservations, Watergate, destroying the environment, Enron, the Spanish-American War, discrimination, corporate welfare, dead Kennedy’s, health care costs, lobbyists, ghettos, high school drop-outs, the Iraq War, police torture of suspects to get a confession.

The greatness of the United States is measured by…pipe dreams and propaganda.

]]> by: The New York Crank http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1057 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:07:03 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1057 I voted for Schumer. It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for him again. And until Schumer and Feinstein pulled this stunt, I would have sooner died that knock a Democrat while George Bush is in the White House.\ But no more. One of the things that all of us can do – and that I have done – is to blog long and furiously about this. I have just done so. If you've got a blog, I hope you will too. Crankily yours, The New York Crank I voted for Schumer. It’ll be a cold day in hell before I vote for him again. And until Schumer and Feinstein pulled this stunt, I would have sooner died that knock a Democrat while George Bush is in the White House.\

But no more.

One of the things that all of us can do – and that I have done – is to blog long and furiously about this. I have just done so. If you’ve got a blog, I hope you will too.

Crankily yours,
The New York Crank

]]> by: brooklyn http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1056 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:51:12 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1056 I did! But he has now announced that he is not going to demand a clearer statement on torture from Mukasey, so we'll have to see if I vote for him again. I probably will (his record on most national and international issues is excellent in general), but we'll have to see. I did!

But he has now announced that he is not going to demand a clearer statement on torture from Mukasey, so we’ll have to see if I vote for him again. I probably will (his record on most national and international issues is excellent in general), but we’ll have to see.

]]> by: Caryn http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1054 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:46:02 +0000 http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/11/01/chuck-schumer-vote-no-on-torture-and-no-to-mukasey/#comment-1054 Did you vote for this guy? hahah ahem. Did you vote for this guy?

hahah ahem.

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