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		<title>by: brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/05/09/arguments-an-inquiry-conclusion/#comment-968</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 18:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bill, I love that story!  Thanks.</description>
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		<title>by: Bill Ectric</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2007/05/09/arguments-an-inquiry-conclusion/#comment-967</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This &quot;ethics study&quot; sounds promising, Levi. I'm glad you are doing this. While I seldom reply to posts on The Cherry Orchard, I do follow it.

Here is a true story that may have some indirect bearing on the discussion:

Several years ago, a friend of mine annoyed me by saying that he &quot;had no need to win an argument.&quot; Oh, he engaged in debates, and usually proved his points, but if he sensed another person getting the upper hand, winning was suddenly &quot;beneath him.&quot;

Not only was this guy in Mensa, now he fancied himself  an Enlightened One. That was ok if he meant it, but I suspected he was as human as anyone.  I devised a plot.

Sitting across from my Mensan friend in a Shoney's booth, I asked my friend to hold a sealed envelope.

&quot;What is this?&quot; he asked.

&quot;I'll explain later,&quot; I said. &quot;Let's order. I'm hungry.&quot;

After we ordered our food, I commented, &quot;Lee Iacocca really turned General Motors around.&quot;

&quot;Iacocca is not with GM,&quot; said my friend. &quot;He used to be with Ford and now he's with Chrylser.&quot;

&quot;No,&quot; I said. &quot;I believe it's GM.&quot;

We argued over this for a few minutes. 

&quot;Don't you remember,&quot; I insisted. &quot;Iacocca desinged the Buick Skylark!&quot;

&quot;You're crazy!&quot; he said. &quot;The man works Chrysler! Hold on a minute.&quot;

He got up, went to his car, and returned with a Time Magazine with Iacocca on the cover. It so happens, I knew that magazine was in his car (it might have been Newsweek). 

&quot;Open the envelope,&quot; I said, referring to the envelope I had given him earlier.

The letter inside the envelope said,

&quot;I knew Lee Iacocca wasn't at General Motors. He started out at Ford and then went to Chrylser. I only said GM to prove a point. Did it not feel good to prove thay you were right? To win the argument? Of course it did, because you are human like the rest of us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;ethics study&#8221; sounds promising, Levi. I&#8217;m glad you are doing this. While I seldom reply to posts on The Cherry Orchard, I do follow it.</p>
<p>Here is a true story that may have some indirect bearing on the discussion:</p>
<p>Several years ago, a friend of mine annoyed me by saying that he &#8220;had no need to win an argument.&#8221; Oh, he engaged in debates, and usually proved his points, but if he sensed another person getting the upper hand, winning was suddenly &#8220;beneath him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only was this guy in Mensa, now he fancied himself  an Enlightened One. That was ok if he meant it, but I suspected he was as human as anyone.  I devised a plot.</p>
<p>Sitting across from my Mensan friend in a Shoney&#8217;s booth, I asked my friend to hold a sealed envelope.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is this?&#8221; he asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll explain later,&#8221; I said. &#8220;Let&#8217;s order. I&#8217;m hungry.&#8221;</p>
<p>After we ordered our food, I commented, &#8220;Lee Iacocca really turned General Motors around.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Iacocca is not with GM,&#8221; said my friend. &#8220;He used to be with Ford and now he&#8217;s with Chrylser.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No,&#8221; I said. &#8220;I believe it&#8217;s GM.&#8221;</p>
<p>We argued over this for a few minutes. </p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t you remember,&#8221; I insisted. &#8220;Iacocca desinged the Buick Skylark!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re crazy!&#8221; he said. &#8220;The man works Chrysler! Hold on a minute.&#8221;</p>
<p>He got up, went to his car, and returned with a Time Magazine with Iacocca on the cover. It so happens, I knew that magazine was in his car (it might have been Newsweek). </p>
<p>&#8220;Open the envelope,&#8221; I said, referring to the envelope I had given him earlier.</p>
<p>The letter inside the envelope said,</p>
<p>&#8220;I knew Lee Iacocca wasn&#8217;t at General Motors. He started out at Ford and then went to Chrylser. I only said GM to prove a point. Did it not feel good to prove thay you were right? To win the argument? Of course it did, because you are human like the rest of us.&#8221;
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