Comments on: Going To Jail For Dick Cheney

by: Rod

Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:39:26 +0000

We live in interesting times. See “The Mayan Calender Comes North” see http://www.mayanmajix.com/
or watch David Ickes latest DVD. to understand the Divine rythm of this amazing planet.
The truth will ultimately win out, It is all Love. There is a massive shift of self and global consciousness at hand. To put it bluntly we are waking up.
The song Don’t Worry, Be Happy just about sums it up for me.
Remember…
God/Love is in control. Even if it seems It isn’t. Look beyond emotive, mental images and follow your heart. I believe the Illuminate agendas are crashing down all about us at a rapid rate. People are choosing to empower themselves. Those who are and want to remain ‘asleep’ so be it. This is their choice. But ignorance is no excuse. Good change will still happen.
I myself am follower of Eckankar.
May the blessings be…
Rod.

by: brooklyn

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:22:25 +0000

Jim, I accept your clarification and I will try to be clearer next time. I do think my statement remains broadly valid as a description of what happened, though. The White House’s campaign to lie to the American public about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was the backdrop to Libby’s crime.

I mean … Watergate was about burglary, but it wasn’t about burglary. I was just speaking in the broad terms.

However, I will try to be more specific and accurate in the future. Thanks.

by: Jim

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:06:54 +0000

“Scooter Libby lied under oath about the justification for the Iraq War, and he’s now facing up to 25 years in jail.”

Umm, that’s just factually wrong. Libby was convicted of lying when he said that he learned about Valerie Plame’s CIA connection from Tim Russert. None of his statements under oath were about justification for the Iraq war.

by: brooklyn

Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:27:17 +0000

You seem very interested in vengeance, Stokey. Personally, I wouldn’t waste my time on vengeance — I’d rather focus on fixing problems.

by: Stokely

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:12:13 +0000

Yeah. I guess my point would be - glad WWII ended, too bad about Adolph and Eva. And they way they treated poor Mussolini. But if you go to the Italian cemeteries, see the same last name on the tombstone, followed by the many many first names of the guys who died between ‘41 and ‘45. I guess the folks were mad about that. Whole families lost, slaughtered.

And that was a good war, so they say. But maybe…if the folks back home had stopped Hitler and Hirohito before their adventerous escapades. Maybe that war wouldn’t have been necessary either.

I think you have to have lived through Vietnam to know the difference between war and peace. War is a bad thing, a last resort when there’re no other options. It isn’t patriotic or manly or heroic. Little kids die in war.

Their blood in on Libby’s hands. Tell me it isn’t. Tell me he had no role in the deaths of little children. Or that the lives of his kids have more value than that of other people’s children.

by: brooklyn

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:15:38 +0000

Caryn, you’re right, I only answered one of your questions, and I didn’t answer this big question:

“Beyond politics, writing and banging the drums, how are we going to uniquely reach out to the guts of humanity and make a difference?”

It’s a good question, and my only problem is that I don’t know how to answer. I guess I tend to answer the questions I can answer before the ones I don’t know how to answer. I guess I was trying to let your comments stand because nothing I respond to that is going to be an adequate answer. I wasn’t ignoring the question, in other words — I was just letting it stand. I don’t know if that makes sense

Stokey — I wouldn’t personally go as far as you’re going here — I do not want Libby, or even Cheney, to suffer through the deprivation and violence of war as a form of punishment. I simply want them removed from power so they can stop doing further damage. I really don’t care that much if Cheney ends up in prison playing golf or in a mansion playing golf. Either way, I want to take the reins of government from the small group of people who have proven that they can’t handle the job. That’s really all I want.

by: Stokely

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:55:37 +0000

I don’t get it. Can I not be happy about Idi Amin’s humiliating fall, about John Couey being found guilty for killing that little girl, or Scooter Libby’s felony conviction; considering his role in the deaths of thousands of Iraqi’s and Americans? When you mass murder, people should be happy if you’re convicted. I do wish Mr. Libby and his family suffer as much as the Iraqi children. I’ve never heard Scooter’s family come out and say that they were always trying to persuade him that mass murder isn’t a good thing. That they always wanted him to testify against his employer, Mr. Cheney. No, they enjoyed the fruits of feeding at the public trough, and never batted an eye about who was being hurt by Scooter and Dick.

by: Caryn

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:55:02 +0000

That didn’t really address my point, but thanks anyway.

by: brooklyn

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:52:51 +0000

Caryn, I’m glad you’re asking in this way, because I’m probably not communicating as clearly as I want to. I guess the backdrop of this whole post (which I should have made more explicit) is that Congress seems to be gearing up to do some official investigations into the executive branch’s management of the Iraq war. I’m not sure if these investigations will get off the ground or not, but I am hoping they will, and like I’ve written about here before, I think it’s likely that these investigations could lead to findings that would cause Bush and Cheney to step down. I know some people think I’m indulging in counter-productive political bashing when I talk about this, but I really think that, based on their conduct of the Iraq war, our country has lost confidence in both of these leaders. So, bringing this back to Libby, like a lot of journalists who have been writing about this, I see the Libby trial as the first shot across the bow. Will more shots come? I don’t know … but anyway that’s why I said I was “happy”, and I do agree that it probably wasn’t the most seemly word choice. I do wish Mr. Libby and his family well, and I’m sorry they personally have to go through this humiliation.

by: Caryn

Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:42:56 +0000

Hmmm… that was a long post and I was oddly disappointed to not read some more in-depth recognition of the genocidal tendencies of history. Weird, I know. That said, I wonder if this is as important to address as that? Perhaps you could say it is connected — well I know many of your readers would say so unequivocally– but in the end, I feel like this newsbite is a minor distraction or a drop in a very large, looming bucket that really has nothing to do with “felons”, elections or party lines. Beyond politics, writing and banging the drums, how are we going to uniquely reach out to the guts of humanity and make a difference?

Also, just to piggyback on some of your word choices, I’m not sure what happiness this could bring … I’m not happy about this, what’s there to be happy about really? This isn’t to say your angle is necessarily wrong, though we understandably disagree on many viewpoints … but more to the fact that … I guess if you feel that way, as far as corruption goes, in the end, is jubilation the right endpath to figuring this all out? I’m genuinely asking …