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		<title>by: brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-866</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, Jim, I think everybody agrees (even Murtha) that both parties need to work together to save this situation.  Let's just hope for flexibility and cooperation on both sides -- that's what I think.  I'm planning to post another article very soon (maybe tonite) that spells out what I think our next steps should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jim, I think everybody agrees (even Murtha) that both parties need to work together to save this situation.  Let&#8217;s just hope for flexibility and cooperation on both sides &#8212; that&#8217;s what I think.  I&#8217;m planning to post another article very soon (maybe tonite) that spells out what I think our next steps should be.
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		<title>by: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-865</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm sure that Congress will do try influence conduct of the war. That they will do so wisely is highly unlikely, considering that the incoming Speaker's (now, fortunately, defeated) choice for majority leader, Jack Murtha, somehow thinks a redeployment to Okinawa and Guam is an intelligent &quot;new approach.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that Congress will do try influence conduct of the war. That they will do so wisely is highly unlikely, considering that the incoming Speaker&#8217;s (now, fortunately, defeated) choice for majority leader, Jack Murtha, somehow thinks a redeployment to Okinawa and Guam is an intelligent &#8220;new approach.&#8221;
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		<title>by: brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-864</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 06:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim, I agree that there is no constitutional logic to what I wrote.  I was really just &quot;riffing&quot;.  I was very excited at the thought that America might vote the rubber-stamp Congress out, and I was just fantasizing about a house-cleaning of the executive branch.  

As you say, the Legislative branch does not run foreign policy and can only influence it indirectly.  A more rational explanation of what I'm saying above is that I hope the new Congress and Senate will do everything they can to influence new approaches to the war in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I agree that there is no constitutional logic to what I wrote.  I was really just &#8220;riffing&#8221;.  I was very excited at the thought that America might vote the rubber-stamp Congress out, and I was just fantasizing about a house-cleaning of the executive branch.  </p>
<p>As you say, the Legislative branch does not run foreign policy and can only influence it indirectly.  A more rational explanation of what I&#8217;m saying above is that I hope the new Congress and Senate will do everything they can to influence new approaches to the war in Iraq.
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		<title>by: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-862</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, first of all, impeachment proceedings can wait, and may not even be worth the trouble and the distraction. 

You write as though an impeachment conviction were even a theoretical possibility. Consider: Article I of the Constitution: &quot;The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.&quot;

2/3 of the Senate is 67. Democrats now number 51 in that chamber. What other possible Senators could comprise that number?


Also: article II states: &quot;The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.&quot; It's not a parliamentary vote of no confidence. It calls for criminal charges, like treason, perjury, obstruction of justice, accepting bribes, etc.

&quot;Instead, I want the new Congress and Senate to quickly pass legislation withdrawing past Congressional support for our current Iraq war, and to set a firm timetable for the fastest exit possible.&quot; As one of your commenters writes, the &quot;support&quot; you mention is the first clause is financial. Congress can cut off funding. They can't &quot;set a firm timetable&quot; or otherwise command the army (although they could effectively defund the war whenever they want).

&quot;The new Congress and Senate will have to work hard to establish new diplomatic channels that do not fall under the influence of the Executive office.&quot; Congress can open whatever channels they want. Those channels don't constitute U. S. foreign policy. The Constitution explicitly grants the Executive control of the military and vests it with the responsibility for receiving foreign ambassadors. Aside from the ability to declare war, I see no Constitutional mandate for Congress conducting U.S. foreign policy. Do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, first of all, impeachment proceedings can wait, and may not even be worth the trouble and the distraction. </p>
<p>You write as though an impeachment conviction were even a theoretical possibility. Consider: Article I of the Constitution: &#8220;The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.&#8221;</p>
<p>2/3 of the Senate is 67. Democrats now number 51 in that chamber. What other possible Senators could comprise that number?</p>
<p>Also: article II states: &#8220;The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.&#8221; It&#8217;s not a parliamentary vote of no confidence. It calls for criminal charges, like treason, perjury, obstruction of justice, accepting bribes, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead, I want the new Congress and Senate to quickly pass legislation withdrawing past Congressional support for our current Iraq war, and to set a firm timetable for the fastest exit possible.&#8221; As one of your commenters writes, the &#8220;support&#8221; you mention is the first clause is financial. Congress can cut off funding. They can&#8217;t &#8220;set a firm timetable&#8221; or otherwise command the army (although they could effectively defund the war whenever they want).</p>
<p>&#8220;The new Congress and Senate will have to work hard to establish new diplomatic channels that do not fall under the influence of the Executive office.&#8221; Congress can open whatever channels they want. Those channels don&#8217;t constitute U. S. foreign policy. The Constitution explicitly grants the Executive control of the military and vests it with the responsibility for receiving foreign ambassadors. Aside from the ability to declare war, I see no Constitutional mandate for Congress conducting U.S. foreign policy. Do you?
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		<title>by: Calico Kid</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-339</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Brilliant insight and analysis is as worthwhile as the number of people it reaches. So why not put all the cherryorchard posts at Kos? People need this info, this opinion, this discussion. It has value. By dually posting both here and at Kos, it broadens the scope of viewership. That's the key - not just having meaningful things to say, but having people hear or read them. Jeez, Greg Palast made some little critique of the war yesterday, and hundreds of people chimed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant insight and analysis is as worthwhile as the number of people it reaches. So why not put all the cherryorchard posts at Kos? People need this info, this opinion, this discussion. It has value. By dually posting both here and at Kos, it broadens the scope of viewership. That&#8217;s the key - not just having meaningful things to say, but having people hear or read them. Jeez, Greg Palast made some little critique of the war yesterday, and hundreds of people chimed in.
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		<title>by: Stokely</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-318</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>One of the horrors of the Lewinsky-Clinton impeachment, was the sight of Tom Delay and Dick Armey holding an impromptu news conference. The context of their flailing incompetence was that Clinton had lost his authority to conduct foreign policy. This because of his willingness to work with the Palestinian Authority. Delay was waving around a newspaper - The Jerusalem Times - which reported that the PLO was smuggling in weapons from Arab neighbors. He was outraged, red in the face - he even quoted Hilary as suggesting that there would one day be a separate Palestinian state! (Apparently that’s not in the Bible.)

What struck me as uniquely pathetic about the whole ordeal was that Congressmen have no Constitutional authority to directly involve themselves in foreign policy - that is the province of the Executive. To even attempt this, borders on treason - an effort to overturn the Constitutional authority of the US government. People should be aware of this when they vote for a president. Morons like Reagan and Bush, get to decide our planet-wide policies. They don’t just cut federal taxes - causing states and municipalities to raise their taxes to make up for the shortfall. 

The only thing a new Congress can do is - control the money. Congress has the authority to decide how tax dollars are spent, i.e., to fund a useless war or not. And traditionally Congressmen have no spine. They won’t demand a balanced budget wherein monies wasted on war would have to come from cuts in Social Security or Medicare. Nor will they reform Congress by ending the contemptible practice of running the nation through elitist Committee Chairmanships.

On the bright side, a Democratic Congress will halt the Nazi-style authoritarianism of the current Executive; which I think is a far more serious issue than our current Vietnam-like war. Good people are willing to die for Bush/Cheney in this war - that is a personal choice that their children will have to live with. Or as Sgt. Dudley told me when we were stationed in Italy - when the Russians attack, my ass is heading for the hills.

(Just an aside - to focus your thoughts on US politics, check out how our government works - via firstgov.org.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the horrors of the Lewinsky-Clinton impeachment, was the sight of Tom Delay and Dick Armey holding an impromptu news conference. The context of their flailing incompetence was that Clinton had lost his authority to conduct foreign policy. This because of his willingness to work with the Palestinian Authority. Delay was waving around a newspaper - The Jerusalem Times - which reported that the PLO was smuggling in weapons from Arab neighbors. He was outraged, red in the face - he even quoted Hilary as suggesting that there would one day be a separate Palestinian state! (Apparently that’s not in the Bible.)</p>
<p>What struck me as uniquely pathetic about the whole ordeal was that Congressmen have no Constitutional authority to directly involve themselves in foreign policy - that is the province of the Executive. To even attempt this, borders on treason - an effort to overturn the Constitutional authority of the US government. People should be aware of this when they vote for a president. Morons like Reagan and Bush, get to decide our planet-wide policies. They don’t just cut federal taxes - causing states and municipalities to raise their taxes to make up for the shortfall. </p>
<p>The only thing a new Congress can do is - control the money. Congress has the authority to decide how tax dollars are spent, i.e., to fund a useless war or not. And traditionally Congressmen have no spine. They won’t demand a balanced budget wherein monies wasted on war would have to come from cuts in Social Security or Medicare. Nor will they reform Congress by ending the contemptible practice of running the nation through elitist Committee Chairmanships.</p>
<p>On the bright side, a Democratic Congress will halt the Nazi-style authoritarianism of the current Executive; which I think is a far more serious issue than our current Vietnam-like war. Good people are willing to die for Bush/Cheney in this war - that is a personal choice that their children will have to live with. Or as Sgt. Dudley told me when we were stationed in Italy - when the Russians attack, my ass is heading for the hills.</p>
<p>(Just an aside - to focus your thoughts on US politics, check out how our government works - via firstgov.org.)
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		<title>by: Caryn</title>
		<link>http://www.thecherryorchard.org/2006/11/01/often-speechless/#comment-316</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Enough with the excuses already ... every day is a fresh start and an opportunity to actually ... yes... do something, whether votes go your way or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough with the excuses already &#8230; every day is a fresh start and an opportunity to actually &#8230; yes&#8230; do something, whether votes go your way or not.
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